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This keynote paper was presented at the National Centre for Vocational Education Research (NCVER) 1998 conference: Industry training outlook '98, held in Sydney, from 12-13 October 1998, and discusses the role of the Australian union movement, alongside that of employers, governments and providers, in the training reform process. The value of training to the employee, and numbers in training are discussed, and the importance of international benchmarking is acknowledged. Vocational education and training (VET) in schools is briefly looked at as a significant development in training reform, and the question of whether a national VET system has been achieved is analysed.